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Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:19 pm**

No, the maximum number of diamonds you can get from one butterfly is 7.
5*7=35. So, 38 diamonds is too much. Remember that it's a steelwall and not breakable.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:09 pm**

After careful and considered reflection, which included looking at my horoscope, casting bones, praying to the mighty Rockford in the sky and checking my manual on flower arranging geometry.

I say the answer is 31

3x7 and 2x5

All body parts crossed, dancing shoes on standby.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:49 pm**

subotai wrote:No, the maximum number of diamonds you can get from one butterfly is 7.

Veto! What if you hit a bitterfly, for example, on the square which is two squares below the second stone from the left??

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:43 am**

Dustin wrote:What if you hit a bitterfly, for example, on the square which is two squares below the second stone from the left??

I agree with you Dustin, there is a 8 Diamond hit available, but I couldn't follow the rest of your strategy, so I thought 7 Diamonds was the Optimal Kill amount to collect the maximum amount of Diamonds.

Massive Edit - Disregard, I don't know what I was thinking :? wrote: The way I saw it:
- Push the 1st left Boulder to the left out of the way
- Make a path from the 1st Pit to the 2nd Boulder
- You get a 8 Diamond kill (as you said)
- 4 Diamonds will fall into the 1st left Pit
(This leaves it part full and the 1st left Boulder with nowhere to go)
- 1 Diamond will be left on the Wall as they don't fall off
- The 3 remaining Diamonds will fall into the 2nd Pit, followed by the 3rd Boulder
- If the Butterfly is at the top of the 2nd Pit when hit it will destroy the Diamond that hit it (maybe the one above it too) and replace the one on the Wall to it's left with it's own
- If I thought it out right, that means 4 Diamonds in the 2nd Pit with the 3rd Boulder sitting on top
- The 3rd Boulder is now out of play and prevents the Diamonds under it being collected.
- A 8 Diamond kill took 3 Boulders out of play, minimal gain I thought???

I'm probably wrong, my "Theoretical Strategy" sucks as you know

Anyway, I'd be interested to know how you got your 38, your mind works on a level way above mine when it comes to this stuff

Thanks
John

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:28 pm**

That sounds very interesting, I will check out, if you really can get 8 diamonds from one butterfly. I suspect that if you try to get 8 diamonds as you described, Rockford will be killed by the explosion. I recommend you try your theories with a bd clone that includes a map editor... like for example boulder remake.

In my opinion, 31 diamonds is not the right number.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:58 pm**

subotai wrote:I suspect that if you try to get 8 diamonds as you described, Rockford will be killed by the explosion.

I can run very fast, ask the Wife, especially when my well-being is involved

Dustin probably has a sensible explanation

I recommend you try your theories with a bd clone that includes a map editor... like for example boulder remake.

Maaan!!! I'm lucky if I can get a game to run right, let alone do that, ask anyone here

In my opinion, 31 diamonds is not the right number.

Oh well, it was worth a shot

Uncrosses all body parts and considers selling the dancing shoes on Ebay

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:31 pm**

Yes, I know, I was wrong... Sorry. Shame on me.

31 diamonds is the correct answer, and of course you can get 8 diamonds from one butterfly. And the explosion will not hit you, when you do it right.

But I still don't think that your way, johnomg, leads to the right solution. However, johnomg, I think it's up to you again

If someone wants to know the way to get 31 diamonds, just let me know. But maybe you find it out yourself... Not very difficult after Dustin's very good hint.

I thought the maximum number was 21 diamonds

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:07 pm**

subotai wrote:But I still don't think that your way, johnomg, leads to the right solution.

I agree, I re-read my partial solution and realised that it had a flaw in the first step, if you look back at it I did a "Massive Edit"

However, johnomg, I think it's up to you again

If you don't mind, before I claim the right answer I would like to hear Dustin's solution, because my strategy was flawed and his answer is possibly still the correct one.

Dustin would you like to explain the 38 or concede???

I thought the maximum number was 21 diamonds

That's ok we all make Boo Boo's

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:30 pm**

I must admit I do not have a definite strategy yet, that was only a guess and I had not thought about the problem very deeply.
John, I think you have deserved the status of having solved the question.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:12 am**

Dustin wrote:John, I think you have deserved the status of having solved the question.

Thanks Dustin

I like trying to answer the questions, but I am not too good (yet) at making them up

So....I will offer my turn to the Masses....Next person please

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:47 pm**

Hi John!
C'mon, try it! I'm sure you can think of a nice question!!

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:27 am**

Ok Dustin, I'll give it a try

In Boulder Dash 01, 02 and 03. Other than Timers or the Status Bar display, what will not start until Rockford has fully appeared in certain Caves???

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:46 am**

Let me guess:
The Amoeba noise. Of course, this is not the case in the Atari version, and also not in the C64 version if the game was paused before hatching.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:03 pm**

LogicDeLuxe wrote:Let me guess

Now why do I have the suspicion you didn't have to guess

LogicDeLuxe wrote:The Amoeba noise

Yes

Your turn

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:36 pm**

What was the first C64 Boulder Dash game using more than one disk side?

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